tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post8282269557778598815..comments2023-10-30T05:56:19.839-05:00Comments on The Black Sphere: Obama’s Torture ConundrumThe Black Spherehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12817264927816156130noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-69430965911769938182009-05-06T22:28:00.000-05:002009-05-06T22:28:00.000-05:00@nerby - I think I set him straight, though I agre...@nerby - I think I set him straight, though I agree he is likely a poser. Regardless, we don't need military pukes, but real military.The Black Spherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817264927816156130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-52898022521254462532009-05-06T22:01:00.000-05:002009-05-06T22:01:00.000-05:00BULLSHIT, Jack.
You were never in the Navy.
I can ...BULLSHIT, Jack.<br />You were never in the Navy.<br />I can tell by the way you write. <br /><br />Don't be fooled by this poser, Kevin. <br />He's what is referred to as a troll.<br />The arguments are circular and there's no answer, and you get sucked in with bullshit like, "I was in the Navy".<br />You mean it took until THIS post for you to reveal that Jack?<br /><br />Use this when you find nerdygirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05024846404852013631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-43639783613463547962009-05-06T21:10:00.000-05:002009-05-06T21:10:00.000-05:00@Jack - You are naive. The reason you are getting ...@Jack - You are naive. The reason you are getting kick in the crotch in here is for all the reasons I stated earlier. The US has the high ground on the idea of torture. ALL nations will do what is necessary to protect them from those wishing to destroy them. Perhaps a better question is "Why are wanting to destroy us?" We have done nothing to deserve this, despite liberal protestations.<br /><The Black Spherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817264927816156130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-79265849483166525612009-05-06T19:49:00.000-05:002009-05-06T19:49:00.000-05:00So we disagree. No need to be insulting. Hitchens ...So we disagree. No need to be insulting. Hitchens talks about the "waterboarding" that's done with recruits. You might want to read a little further too.<br />And I have my Masters. Majored in English, minored in history and drama. So I'm pretty clear on my history.<br />Does this mean you're for going back and declaring that "Waterboarding" shouldn't be part of the Geneva Convention? Or that we JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504765081813076663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-33593558552021732712009-05-06T19:00:00.000-05:002009-05-06T19:00:00.000-05:00Jack:
You really are naive.
Enhanced interrogation...Jack:<br />You really are naive.<br />Enhanced interrogation is not torture. My husband was waterboarded for his training.<br />He didn't have to go into a mental institution for it. <br />And to quote a Christopher Hitchens Vanity Fair article just shows that your depth of research is questionable. <br />Oh, and I've been to Salem, MA, and learned the whole story about the "witches". <br />No nerdygirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05024846404852013631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-75560534872994447632009-05-06T14:06:00.001-05:002009-05-06T14:06:00.001-05:00Kevin, you are right on target. Without the fear o...Kevin, you are right on target. Without the fear of any coercion, why would detainees tell us ANYTHING. You'd think liberals would get something so "common sense."Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-20660283764053629012009-05-06T14:06:00.000-05:002009-05-06T14:06:00.000-05:00@Jack - Well my tortured friend, I wouldn't have a...@Jack - Well my tortured friend, I wouldn't have admitted to what I hadn't done to my dad, as I would not have been beaten to death.<br /><br />I have all the evidence I need from my spook friends who say that they hare thwarted MANY potential atrocities, due to "enhanced interrogations." To this, I say God bless them. And frankly, if you are conspiring to kill me, whether you know anything or The Black Spherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817264927816156130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-34768832042909152812009-05-06T13:59:00.000-05:002009-05-06T13:59:00.000-05:00You've provided nothing but your belief and its ba...You've provided nothing but your belief and its based on the idea that the threat of torture would be enough. But you're talking about people who would kill themselves for their cause. So the threat of torture does nothing, and actual torture does nothing.<br />I can give a perfect example. When I was a child, my father asked me where I found this one stop watch.<br />I told him the truth, it wasJJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504765081813076663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-18089395445151142552009-05-06T13:42:00.000-05:002009-05-06T13:42:00.000-05:00@Jack - Your points are not valid, and the idea th...@Jack - Your points are not valid, and the idea that you provide the anecdotal "evidence" to support it is the sand of your foundation.<br /><br />Torturing people who want to kill me is the LEAST of my concerns. And your argument that torture reveals no useful information is infantile, at best.<br /><br />We have had discourse on this subject, and it just boils down to common sense. The threat The Black Spherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817264927816156130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-66895441153498440292009-05-06T13:30:00.000-05:002009-05-06T13:30:00.000-05:00Hey, why Obama outlaws waterboarding to me is a se...Hey, why Obama outlaws waterboarding to me is a separate issue.<br />I think Obama plays way too politically for my liking.<br />But all my points as to why waterboarding needs to stop and should be prosecuted are valid.<br />Or else we should issue pardons to North Korea and the Japanese in World War II and everyone else we convicted saying its torture.<br />Anything else is hypocritical.JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504765081813076663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-44961704736171246292009-05-06T13:27:00.000-05:002009-05-06T13:27:00.000-05:00@Jack. Obama did not choose to outlaw waterboardin...@Jack. Obama did not choose to outlaw waterboarding based on it's effectiveness or lack thereof. He did it because he said he felt it endangered troops captured in the field (his words not mine) based on the assumption that somehow if we are nice to their combantants they will be nice to ours in return. That's simply a silly and unrealistic view, especially coming from the "Commander and Chief" Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-27230541274601852592009-05-06T13:03:00.000-05:002009-05-06T13:03:00.000-05:00Okay... I'm not really interested in being ins...Okay... I'm not really interested in being insulted. I haven't insulted you. Good discussion in my mind is an actual discussion of ideas.<br />I've offered examples of my opinion.<br />I've shown where torture doesn't do good. The FBI Interrogator who DID IT SAID SO.<br />http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/opinion/23soufan.html?_r=3&partner=rss&emc=rss<br /><br />I'JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504765081813076663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-53400343054733560032009-05-06T12:53:00.000-05:002009-05-06T12:53:00.000-05:00@Jack. What would Jesus do? He would probably quot...@Jack. What would Jesus do? He would probably quote from Ecclesiastes, chapter three: A time to kill and a time to heal. A time to love and a time to hate. A time for peace and a time for war." And buddy if there was ever a time for war it was on that terrible day. You've just forgotten or you just don't think it matters anymore. Torturing for fun? How about watching video of Al-quida members Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-76310282368511587812009-05-06T12:50:00.000-05:002009-05-06T12:50:00.000-05:00@Jack - There you go, thinking you are Jesus. Jes...@Jack - There you go, thinking you are Jesus. Jesus! You can parse a discussion on beef, but can't put 2+2 together on torture. I guess Hollywood's depiction of torturees giving up the goods just isn't good enough for you, but you believe everything else they put out. I guess you further believe that other countries take the "high road" on torture, as they do on say, illegal immigration. <br The Black Spherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817264927816156130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-88025611459556527682009-05-06T12:47:00.000-05:002009-05-06T12:47:00.000-05:00I know my history.
http://www.salemweb.com/guide/w...I know my history.<br />http://www.salemweb.com/guide/witches.shtml<br /><br />Also look up the Spanish Inquisition. They used Waterboarding as well.<br />We agree torture will make you talk.<br />But what it tells you is simply not useful information.<br />You will tell someone anything to make it stop. Whether its truth or lies.<br />So therefore. You're torturing for no reason. You're gaining JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504765081813076663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-33869195141076515962009-05-06T12:39:00.000-05:002009-05-06T12:39:00.000-05:00@Jack - Are you intentionally being obtuse? Salem...@Jack - Are you intentionally being obtuse? Salem witch trials were a bunch of young girls, getting back at adults by accusing them of being witches. The girls were not tortured, but succumbed to peer pressure, ultimately.<br /><br />The army is not the authority on torture, or enhanced interrogation. I know there are some people who need no torture to spill the beans. Granted. Those we will The Black Spherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817264927816156130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-53343179457085368412009-05-06T12:35:00.000-05:002009-05-06T12:35:00.000-05:00Actually, that made no sense.
So you're saying tha...Actually, that made no sense.<br />So you're saying that slaughtering cows is the same as torturing human beings.<br />I worked at a farm man. I think I know the difference between butchering animals for food, and torturing human beings for fun.<br /><br />That's really your best choice? <br />WWJD man. Cripes.JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504765081813076663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-37102563180680741102009-05-06T12:33:00.000-05:002009-05-06T12:33:00.000-05:00You missed my point. You'll say anything whether i...You missed my point. You'll say anything whether its true or not to stop the torture. This was proven by the Witch trials in Salem. Are you saying all those people were actual witches? That they all cast spells on people?<br />This is the problem, you think its torture or a latte. Have you read the actual Army's Manual on what interrogation involves? It's not making them your buddy. But its more JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504765081813076663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-62733426292846994362009-05-06T12:32:00.000-05:002009-05-06T12:32:00.000-05:00@Steve - Jack is just the typical misguided libera...@Steve - Jack is just the typical misguided liberal, that believes that meat comes from cellophane packages. Forget that a cow must be KILLED for him to eat. He also believes that lettuce has a conscience. These people live in LALALAND, and only care about the real world when it directly affects them. Let HIS loved one be kidnapped or raped, or let HIM be the victim of crime in some way, thenThe Black Spherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817264927816156130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-86180337431669596962009-05-06T12:20:00.000-05:002009-05-06T12:20:00.000-05:00I think the biggest problem is that the public has...I think the biggest problem is that the public has developed very short attention spans in this technological "instant gratification" society we live in. Perhaps Jack has forgotten how terrifying it was on that day to watch nearly 3,000 people die a brutal and savage death and then watch the Iranian public cheering in the streets afterward chanting that they had severed the head of "The Great Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-4147303159546032892009-05-06T12:13:00.000-05:002009-05-06T12:13:00.000-05:00@Jack - That's the point! You won't NEED to tortur...@Jack - That's the point! You won't NEED to torture me, because I will tell the truth at the threat of torture. The idea that "enhanced interrogation" doesn't work is patently ridiculous! You can't honest believe your own drivel! And I'm sure you know SO much about torture, and that it just doesn't work. Why don't you take a poll of people you know, and ask if they would reveal a secret if The Black Spherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817264927816156130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-72738490626212253512009-05-06T09:47:00.000-05:002009-05-06T09:47:00.000-05:00Better yet.. Let me torture you. I'll get you to a...Better yet.. Let me torture you. I'll get you to admit you work for Al-Qaeda. THAT'S how effective it is.<br />You'll say anything to get me to stop.<br /><br />But honestly, just knowing that in this day and age, people in a free democratic society think its right to torture other human beings is kind of a torturous thought as it is.JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504765081813076663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-23613132537281563242009-05-06T09:25:00.000-05:002009-05-06T09:25:00.000-05:00@Jack - I will only respond to ONE of your issues....@Jack - I will only respond to ONE of your issues. TORTURE DOES WORK! If you don't believe me, then let me torture you!The Black Spherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817264927816156130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-64745119789808853012009-05-06T04:25:00.000-05:002009-05-06T04:25:00.000-05:00The argument just doesn't ring true man. You're wr...The argument just doesn't ring true man. You're writing out of fear, and fear is never a long-term solution.<br />1. Torture doesn't work. Hitchen reported that a tortured subject told the torturers that he was a hermaphrodite when he discovered that's what they wanted to know. You'd tell them anything.<br />2. Even if it did. The CIA has said publicly that it damages Americas credibility and JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504765081813076663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2945339189639849796.post-84470425564121936972009-05-05T21:58:00.000-05:002009-05-05T21:58:00.000-05:00Oh, and under this "It's all our fault" President,...Oh, and under this "It's all our fault" President, we are not going to have it for much longer. <br />Think about that anonymous blogger charlietuna.<br /><br />Your name describes you: chicken of the sea.nerdygirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05024846404852013631noreply@blogger.com