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Thursday, November 13, 2008

Proof of God?

What I find about debating religion with so-called intellectuals, otherwise known the faithless is they will attempt to dazzle you with their subject-matter expertise. If they are evolutionists, they tend to be very well-versed in evolution, and can play the "you're an idiot" game better than we.

I am an engineer, with my private education coming from Southern Methodist University. So my subject-matter expertise doesn't necessarily apply when it comes to discussing religion or evolution. Thus, I might potentially lose the intellectual battle on evolution, if I leave the discussion in such a small field of view when debating an expert in just evolution, for example. However, with an expanded discussion, I believe I have a very good chance of making my point on belief in God. So let's approach our discussion on God from a different perspective.

All people believe in an "after life". Certain religious people believe in an "after life" that involves either heaven or hell. And how one gets to either place is controlled by some higher power, which of course the evangelical belief is God. Others say that you are reincarnated, while some say you can persist in purgatory. Finally, the faithless believe in simply death. You die, that's it. So in consideration of an "after life", there must at least be a "during life". I am confident that we all agree on this, because if you are reading these words, you are indeed in your "during life".

So if there is a "during life", then it is certainly conceivable, and I think most people would agree that logically there was a "before life" for us all. Where that begins is debatable to most, though most Christ-followers certainly know--as do the abortionists who claim not to. My fight is not with abortionists right now. I am merely trying to establish that there was a period in your evolution, where you had no control of your life.

So we have determined relatively conclusively that we have a "before life", and conclusively that we have a "during life". Again, we debate "after life", insomuch as whose "after life" do we believe. So for now, I won't debate the "after life", because I believe the answer around the question of "Is there a God?" may actually lie in understanding better the "before life" transition to the "during life".

That said, I'd like to ask you a question. "Do you recall your experience(s) in vitro?" For those who may be confused by my question, I will ask it in a different way. "Do you have any memories of your time in your mother's womb?"

As for me, I have tried my hardest to remember anything; kicking, complaining about her diet, or how she was lying in bed. I imagine I felt very cramped, and possibly even suffered some trauma (some would argue that I definitely did), however I cannot recall one single incident in vitro. And I certainly didn't realize that I was going to be born into a new life eventually.

Living inside a water-filled capsule, must be similar to how it would feel to live in the depths of the ocean, that is if I was inside a submersible, and attached to an umbilical cord. In vitro the world is constantly dark, but not completely absent of sensory perception.

There are many dangers, mostly unknown to you, though I would be guessing, since I don't recall. Scientists say that you feed through a magnificent life-giving tube, eating whatever nourishment happens your way. And like most organisms, you grow to multiple times your body weight and size, until you reach maturity, or at least maturity for the "before life" stage.
When you consider that, give or take a few weeks, we all have the same finite experience, that nine months is our complete "before life" time period. At the end of that roughly nine month gestation, we all reach maturity in that world, whereby we are ready to emerge, transcend into something new--into a new world.

And I would argue successfully, that of the billions of people who have been born, you can't find a single person who remembers any of their in vitro experiences, or who had a different one than what I described. There is no argument that some "higher power" controlled your destiny during your "before life" stage. This brings us to the "during life" stage.

So we emerge from this roughly nine month "before life" stage, which I argue is a lifetime all in itself. Think of how many of us don't make it. There were many factors which could have disrupted that life cycle, known or unknown, yet each of us reading this text managed to battle our way through it and enter our "during stage" or the life that is happening right now, as you read my words.

So the "during stage" is interesting, because we gain awareness, though not total awareness. We gain the ability to recall our lives as we age, but we cannot recall all the details, usually just the most important or the most traumatic. This differs from our "before stage", where we had absolutely no recollection. So we can say that we are given partial awareness in this stage.

Another difference between our "before life" and our "during life" stages is our lifespan in the "during life" stage increases from roughly nine months to roughly 70 years, give or take a few years. But is this different?

The fact that we have yet another roughly defined time of 70 years, give or take a few years, I find fascinating. It certainly is logical and shows "order". Consider that in our "before life" stage, you don't hear of people taking two years to emerge. Perhaps they go a few weeks shorter or longer, but that's about it, before they absolutely must emerge into the "during life".

Another parallel in these two stages is the dangers we face, the main difference being that in the "before life" stage, we rely upon a higher power, i.e. our mothers to deal with the perils, and "during life" we face our own dangers. So essentially in the "during life" stage, we must learn to face dangers more ourselves, relying less on our mothers. Some of us transition to a new higher power, that being God, Yahweh, Allah..."The Big Kahuna!"

So I equate the "during life" stage as the equivalent of a 70-year pregnancy, and at death, we experience a rebirth. Now the true Christ-follower prepares, or is reborn in Christ in preparation for his final rebirth. Thus, when he dies, he is born into God's promise for the next stage. Christians wants the heaven part of the rebirth and not the hellish one, by the way.

For Christ-followers, the "after life" is an eternity in heaven. So when you consider that in our "before life", nine months is an eternity, in our "during life" 70 years is a perceived eternity, then it may just be plausible [if you have faith in God] that there is one more stage that will last a 1000 years? Who knows? I did mention that non-believers will have a far different fate.

Here's the wrap:

The faithless question why would a God who is supposed to be so good, promise His people an eternity in hell? My answer is simple.

In our first birth, we are born to circumstance. We cannot choose our parents or the life that they will provide. However at some point in our "during live" stage, we are presented with choices. The faithful believe in the mantra of "walk by faith, not by sight", while the faithless believe this mantra to be a sign of ignorance. How can you believe in the unseen, the unknown?

You came into this world with no knowledge of this world, so what makes you believe that there isn't another life that we are to enter into, in which you have no knowledge? And by the way, I have never seen all the vastness of space, however I have faith that it's there.

That's my rant!

© 2008 Kevin Jackson – The Black Sphere All Rights Reserved



A Sower said...

That's the first time I've seen this analogy. Of course, I don't spend much time reading apologetics because I'm already convinced and don't really believe anyone is argued into the Kingdom. I enjoyed seeing this perspective.

The Black Sphere said...

Thank you for the comment. I have to say that this is indeed an original idea from me, as I have never heard it from this perspective. This is why I wanted to share it.

Wake Up Conservatives said...

Well, for me, I have seen the proof of God in my own life more times than I can list here but for those who refuse to believe in something that they can not see I offer this one example. My brother who is a P.H.D. and a living miracle, one day diagnosed brain dead post being struck by a drunk driver at the age of 9 and the next following my father, a lukewarm Catholic at the time, dropping to his knees and begging God to grant him one wish, that when he walked into the intensive care unit my brother would be sitting up and say "Hi Papi". If God would do this for him he would serve him and never waver. The next day he walked into the intensive care unit to an empty bed. Before my father could collapse in grief the nurse stopped him and said that my brother had awoken from his state and moved to another room. When my father walked into my brother's room he was greeted with "Hi Papi!" His doctors could not explain my brother’s recovery and told my father, “It’s a miracle.” My father never wavered in his faith, not once, in spite of many reasons following this miracle that would shake anyone's faith including the death of another brother of mine 20 years later that was killed by yet another drunk driver.

The Black Sphere said...

Wow, great story Lisa. Like you, I don't need proof. Thanks for that very moving comment!

GOPGirl said...

Amazing Kevin, you never cease to amaze me! I feel bad for those who dont have faith... for to have no faith in anything, (things you can not see or touch or control", is to be empty...

Any non-believers that I have met, have all been in the same "during life" circumstances... i.e., because of the choices THEY MADE...

To turn your back from God, to not know him is to know NOTHING at all...

I dont listen to most "religious" rants, I dont need to, I just KNOW that he is there - always and everywhere, no matter what religion you are "there is only 1 God" (or whatever others call him)

Faith is what makes the impossible - possible... :)

I am with those who commented, I dont need to argue the point - I KNOW and my family knows - and anyone who knows me - knows... faith is my foundation...

Somethings you JUST KNOW :)

You are great Kevin!

desireadventure said...

watch these videos
scientific proof there is a God people better get ready the time is near and we will see it in this generation hope your ready.

Anonymous said...

scientists have known now since the 1920's that the universe began with a big bang. Ex Nihilo, something from nothing.

All that is once was not. And time is something that exists. So 'before time' doesn't even make sense, since you're using a 'time' word to describe it.

The big bang is definite, and all the supporting signs of the gigantic explosion are there.. remaining ripples of microwave radiation, elements that had to be 'cooked' in a massive momentary pressure and heat to exist, among them CARBON, a necessary component of life as we know it.. it's all there, all proven.. but scientists don't talk much about it.

Because almost all of them admit, in one way or another, that 'creation' happened. And that they could never figure out how, because 'before' creation, NOTHING EXISTED, not even time.

They KNOW this. And many simply stop wondering about the beginning.. but nobody with any credibility says there wasn't one, not anymore.

God said 'let there be.... "


Get it? Good.. :-))

Big Dave